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They are actually hurting themselves. at the same time, the computers are crashing because so many people are trying to get access to the new insurance markets. >> thank you, howard for telling the truth. i think many people are so close to it. they are so partisan that they can't see the forest through the trees, right? the problem is, when you dig yourself in, when you dig in your heels sometimes, sometimes you dig yourself in and if something comes along, you are going to drown yourself, correct? >> well, many republicans are saying we have to get something out of this. they know they are p...

Into the investigation and defend him. he attacked him publicly. and there's the tweet. how do you see this all coming together if you're putting together an obstruction case? >> it is tricky because it's not enough to try to abuse sessions publicly, to demean his character. the president actually has to do any one of a number of specific things. that can be somehow influence sessions, if sessions is a witness, to keep him from testifying truthfully. or perhaps to get him to alter documentary evidence, or even to take the more macro step of terminating the investigation altogether. so prosecut...