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Economy is that he's more of a fraud. and that's what a lot of democratic voters have already concluded, obviously. the question is whether or not his supporters do. >> all right. thank you for that, phil rucker and for starting us off. >> after the break, the best possible spin on donald trump's haphazard approach to foreign policy was the madman strategy. but what happens when that stops working? also ahead, while republicans are not exactly fleeing donald trump, they're starting to turn on him at a faster clip. we will go inside the latest gop defections. and is the jay-z/nfl partnershi...

Cancel the negotiation. our white house team reporting he didn't want to be embarrassed by that. it looks like he realized he made a mistake. >> so, erin, is there room for praise to amber's calling it this madman strategy? if it yields results? >> president trump has a lot riding on this deal and the reason why it could work is because kim does also. then you have moon in the middle who wants badly to broker this peace and make a deal for the two countries and all three of them at the table. to me, this is will they or won't they story we see at the ends of cliff hangers on tv episodes, where...

China believes they can play trump. i think north korea believes they can play trump. here's what they're going to learn. they can't. what china needs to understand, if you don't help us through diploma diplomacy, the war will be in your backyard, not ours. >> tough talk from lindsey graham give iing his assessment what he thinks is happen ng the north korea strategy. joing me now, admiral james, former nato supreme commander. add mir, always good to see you. >> ip the perspective from you on this unusual back and forth we've seen over the last few days. there was a guest in my earlier segment...