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An aggressive way to charge an individual. but, i think we have in our heads that rico racketeering, if it's corrupt organizations and prosecutions, are for mafia families and so on. and the way the georgia statute is written, it's broader than the federal statute, as we also heard talked about here. and perhaps, all these things can be brought in. but all these questions, including that removal of the federal courtroom, which i'm not totally agree with either view on either. it may actually end up staying in georgia state court. it's just, a complicated legal question that no one touched yet....

Various circuits. he is a one man crime wave and he is going to be in his own law school seminar one day. >> one of the other things i want to ask you about, i know that you dealt with as well, this is trump's speech on the ellipse on january 6th. fani willis called that speech an overt act of that conspiracy, that rico conspiracy. is it a risk to go there when it comes to criminal charges? doesn't veer into free speech territory? if she raises what he said on that ellipse that day? >> if that is all she was hanging her hat on and that's the only action being alleged, then it would obviously i...

>> i think that they're probably going to want to wait to the last second, just because what we've seen consistently throughout these cases is, the game of -- trying to delay it out a little more. and so if they have ten days and you surrender on the first day, if you're trying to drag the case out past the election, when i take the extra ten days. if it wasn't a case where you had an election, i would put my client in today. but, that's different, that's a different calculus. >> yeah and of course, between today and the very last possible day, which is next friday, there is a presidential deb...

In other words who is not acting as a campaign volunteer after hours on a lincolns, but rather was executing the orders of don trump. so we will see what happens, he may have a plausible case for getting it removed. it is interesting that he once to get out of state court and fly back to the safety of the federalist society packed federal courts. in any event, i believed in the 11th circuit where the court is considering another rico action, which was donald trump's rico lawsuit against hillary clinton, which was thrown out of the district court level, which is now being considered by the 11th...

Is a different person today. and this is, he was a character when he was mayor, and he was a tough guy. and he liked to litigate, so he was, he was always an interesting person. but not the person we're seeing today, and i think this is tragic, actually. >> one of the most unforgettable moments of the saga is that press conference at the rnc, with giuliani, with sweat dripping down his face. i mean it was just such a moment. and actually interestingly enough, it's in the indictment in georgia, part of the evidence against him in this case. thank you all for being here tonight. and coming up ne...