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In large numbers. growth is easy. >> deficit exploded. >> we will get to that in a moment. people and productivity. neither are growing right now. there were tax cuts but not spending cuts. which means you had to reign that back in in 19s 86. it's not like this is some magic plan that is just going to create jobs without leaving us without a deficit problem. >> now bring it down to my intellectual level. you guys are very intelligent and we need you to bring it to the show. you are calling this a middle class tax cut. by most appraisals, at least initially, the middleclass does get a cut. ther...

Million people. the event has not -- was not contained to just houston. it has impacted the entire state. for those that say there's the magic of evacuation, i'd like them to show me the magic plan that would have moved these people safely. especially when we have so many waterways across texas that cross highways they're using that are proned to flash flooding. i'd like to say we've only lost one confirmed death so far and maybe up to three. i can almost guarantee you had we evacuated this city, half of the people wouldn't have gone in the first place. and other half we would have placed them...

>> it is not going to hold up, sean. here's why. we have three more debates. one next week with pall and all joe biden -- i am looking forward-- this is going to be a doozy. >> it will be great. i don't want to under-sell joe biden because he's pretty clever with good rhetoric. he obviously sticks his foot in his mouth, but he is quick on his feet and he is relatable to people. so i don't think we can take that lightly. but two more debates with the president. two more opportunities, hopefully, as unfiltered as we were last week. i think, of all the problems and all of the -- i think huge di...

>> it is not going to hold up, sean. here's why. we have three more debates. one next week with pall and all joe biden -- i am looking forward-- this is going to be a doozy. >> it will be great. i don't want to under-sell joe biden because he's pretty clever with good rhetoric. he obviously sticks his foot in his mouth, but he is quick on his feet and he is relatable to people. so i don't think we can take that lightly. but two more debates with the president. two more opportunities, hopefully, as unfiltered as we were last week. i think, of all the problems and all of the -- i think huge di...

How realistic is that,do you think? >> well, i think what pope benedict and what the church does is present values that they believe the economy and the political system should work towards. let's face it. he doesn't have a magic plan for bringing us into prosperity. that's the job of economists, of political -- of politicians. to work out the practical details. make the prudential judgments. for -- getting to the values he's pushing. every catholic in the country today, when they went to church, heard the gospel, heard jesus say that the two commandments are to love god and to love our neighb...