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Compelling argument. >> in a fraud case, or an obstruction case it all turns on the defendants state of mind. did the defendant have the intent to commit fraud? can you pierces mind to know what his attempt was? we all know trump fired mother or but did he do it for a corpus or not? there have been a lot of debates on this program and elsewhere trying to figure out proof of trump's state of mind and in for, but we don't have a magic telescope. drug case is very simple, if you have an ounce of heroin in your basement, you are guilty? it's very simple. maybe you can argue it's powdered sugar may...

General for basically doing what he had to do. he was required to do under the rules of the justice department. >> renado i have to ask you, when you're dealing with obstruction, i'm not an attorney but that's what i hear from the attorneys and legal folks here, you have to establish intent correct? what is the intent? and i'm wondering if the president's tweets, what he said is that going to come into play when they're trying to figure out what his intent was behindfully of these meetings and questions or his actions? >> no question. so what mueller has to prove is that president had corrupt ...

Investigation. the way you prove as a from t prosecutor, somebody's intent, you don't have a magic telescope that sees inside their brain. you look at their words and actions over a long period of time and you ask a jury to form conclusions about the person's intent from those words and actions. so, for example, why was the president so angry at jeff sessions for doing what he was legally required to do by recusing himself? why did he talk about the attorney general protecting him? why did he fire james comey? why did he tweet about there being tapes during the conversations? all these specifi...

It talks about if there is no slam dunk piece of evidence in a particular obstruction case and they often search for a larger pattern of behavior, how would the tweets fit in? >> sure. so it's very hard in a case involving intent. a white collar case where it's not like somebody robbed a bank or did -- or murdered somebody. >> has a crowbar. >> yeah. exactly. a pattern of behavior and you're trying to prove did this person have the intent to obstruct justice. you almost always will be looking at a wide range of evidence to piece together what's in somebody's mind because we don't have a magic ...