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Possibility that there could be some kind of terror attack here. and we know that the security situation on the ground has been a case of strange bedfellows with the united states and taliban trying to work to secure the various gates to this airport while the u.s. was completing this air lift. rob sanchez, you're in london. let's talk a little bit about the players on the ground here. because the threat here, unusually for americans who follow this war in afghanistan the last 20 years, wasn't from the taliban. they were effectively security partners now. there's been a lot of talk about isis-...

Lot of weapons and armorment, they've moved so quickly they haven't even secured their own rear areas. there's lots of pockets with different and competing interests. if i could emphasize anything about this, you're going to see intense competition between groups in afghanistan. there are terror groups to the north, like the islamic movement of uz bechlt kistan, a very different thing from just calling something al qaeda. there's al qaeda roots to the taliban, which are more in control. and then there's rivals like isis in khorasan. that group is antagonistic to the taliban. they want the tali...

There was an argument that the smaller troop levels, several thousand troops in iraq and a number in syria, and even the roughly 2,500 that were left in afghanistan would act as a stabilizing force for local security forces. anyway, we're in a mess right now. all these countries joined us. we promised to give them air lift for their forces as well. but i think it's critical, again, to not overreact to this attack, to not -- will we let an isis attack curb our military operations in another part of the world? would we just stop what our military is doing because of a single isis car bomb? i pra...

Extreme risk. >> clint, thank you. stick around. i want to bring back nbc's courtney kube at the pentagon. she's been working her source at the pentagon, trying to get more detail here. what do you know? >> reporter: unfortunately we don't know a whole lot more. we're still trying to figure out how many casualties there were and the extent of it, and who they were. we know that there were afghan civilians outside this gate at the time of this explosion. it's worth pointing out, too, this is an area where there had been americans and afghans going through this gate, the abby gate, in recent day...

Efforts in recent hours and now this. i mean, it's causing casualties, causing chaos. stopping the evacuation mission. this is the kind of thing that isis would want to do. and it is consistent with a threat stream of what they were hoping and planning to try to carry out in recent days, geoff. >> let's expand on that a bit with nbc's andrea mitchell, who is on the phone. you have the best intell and diplomatic sources in washington. what are you hearing about the possibility that courtney laid out, that this could be isis-k trying to disrupt this effort here? >> reporter: exactly. you're exac...