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While. he has money and organization. >> bill: that would give the election to barack obama. now rick santorum. it's mother matter. the senator obviously a mainstream candidate. he is conservative, but so what. he has taken newt gingrich, a lot of his votes have gone over to santorum. but you say, even if he wins iowa tomorrow, does second, really does well, he is not a factor, why? >> i won't say he is not a factor. look. what we have had is this rotating series of candidates who have occupied the non-romney lead. and rick santorum is basic lit one guy in the group who has never held that spo...

While. he has money and organization. >> bill: that would give the election to barack obama. now rick santorum. it's mother matter. the senator obviously a mainstream candidate. he is conservative, but so what. he has taken newt gingrich, a lot of his votes have gone over to santorum. but you say, even if he wins iowa tomorrow, does second, really does well, he is not a factor, why? >> i won't say he is not a factor. look. what we have had is this rotating series of candidates who have occupied the non-romney lead. and rick santorum is basic lit one guy in the group who has never held that spo...

Is that he might finish third in iowa behind bachmann and romney. and he might finish third in new hampshire behind romney and bachmann. and at that point if he wins south carolina, he is just a regional candidate. the problem is that he may be the second best businessman in the race. and the second best tea party activist in the race. but not the first best of anything. that's the problem he has got. >> laura: it's going to be a fight, is it not, dick, between bachmann and perry for the evangelical social conservative. those two are duking it out with each other not so much romney now. >> no....

Iowa behind bachmann and romney. and he might finish third in new hampshire behind romney and bachmann. and at that point if he wins south carolina, he is just a regional candidate. the problem is that he may be the second best businessman in the race. and the second best tea party activist in the race. but not the first best of anything. that's the problem he has got. >> laura: it's going to be a fight, is it not, dick, between bachmann and perry for the evangelical social conservative. those two are duking it out with each other not so much romney now. >> no. but it will also be a food fight...