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To get republicans to back more spending, throw in a lot of defense spending. their hawkish impulses are aroused. and they say they don't like government spending, except on defense, on the pentagon. so, isn't this the same old smarmy deal. more spending for the right wing, more spending for the left wing, covered up by some gimmick that you say raises revenues through so-called reform gadgetry, and in the end, down the road, it never actually happens. you're shaking your head, liz, because you've been there too. is this something good or just the same old deal? your thoughts, michelle? >> i t...

>> heidi, here's a question for bernie sanders in his 70s, he has to now adjust to a battle between the sexes, if you will, that becomes cartoonish, perhaps. he has to learn how to come out and say words he's always said in a way that doesn't carry that extra angle of jrnd. >> and i think we see this across issues, chris. i was at the dnc event in the morning, where clinton first made her remarks, and he spoke before her, and i was kind of struck by the fact that he didn't adjust his talking points, his stump speech at all. i mean, he had a couple of issues sprinkled in there, for example, on ...

Is doing now in the obama administration, making sure supervisory people making 30,000, 40,000 a year should be eligible for overtime. all those issues are such a part of mainstream democratic politics, and frankly, mainstream america. and i don't see that much difference between the two of them. regardless of what bernie has called himself over the years, or what hillary has called herself. i think they both have -- speak to the great american tradition of democrat -- solid democratic policies of creating a middle class and lifting up working people. that's what i'm all about with this endors...

>> that may possibly be true. and when off package that you put together that hikes spending by $80 billion, that is one of the reasons why some democrats may get more comfortable with it than some republicans. at the end of the day, there are some republicans who like ryan will be going away and taking a very close look at this. because if you look at the comment that came from senator rob portman today, his point is that it's not a great deal and looks like it doesn't deal with some of the fundamental issues we're talking about when we're talking about continued deficit spending and a contin...

Are talked to the fact there's going to be increased spending for defense but increased spending for programs that democrats care about on the domestic front, and another way to look at this, quite frankly is it shows that although they probably will not get a large majority of the republicans to vote for this, bipartisanship can happen on the hill. this is -- this democrats to the american public that if they really want to do something, they can put their heads to do it and get it done and get it done in a bipartisan fashion. >> warning to democratic members of congress. if the word social s...