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Turn mainstream journalists, whose job is to simply report the truth, into the opposition party. and when reporting the truth becomes a political act and is seen as an oppositional act, we've got a real problem in helping our fellow citizens understand, wait, these are facts and these are not facts. >> if we can just put up the split screen again of the two crowd sizes, because it's a trivial thing, joan, but it's also a thing where they're almost gas lighting you into trying to think that you're insane. sean spicer said two things. he made a lot of lies at his press conference. he said that t...

So-called mainstream journalists handle this with respect to hillary. are they going to go after her, since she headed the state department? or will they cover for her? >> because so far, bernie, the bridge scandal is not tied directly to christie, it is the people who work for christie. so far the state benghazi thing has not been tied directly to hillary clinton but people who work for her. so should not there be an equal approach in going after it with fervor on both sides? >> there should, but the reason the media is not worried about being even-handed is because they know the american peo...

Did, that would get some play in the media you and on television. >> and i understand, obviously, we're talking about president obama and his administration. but we're also talking about chris christie and hillary clinton who we believe are the likely frontrunners for the next presidential post. so chris christie gets a lot of coverage for bridge gate. but what about hillary clinton and how this reflects on her? >> that is a very important question. and i'm not so sure, i agree with your previous guest who says that hillary clinton is in a lot of trouble. she ought to be in a lot of trouble, i...

So-called mainstream journalists handle this with respect to hillary. are they going to go after her, since she headed the state department? or will they cover for her? >> because so far, bernie, the bridge scandal is not tied directly to christie, it is the people who work for christie. so far the state benghazi thing has not been tied directly to hillary clinton but people who work for her. so should not there be an equal approach in going after it with fervor on both sides? >> there should, but the reason the media is not worried about being even-handed is because they know the american peo...

Mainstream journalists. but now here comes david kirkpatrick in a stunning, multipart piece, absolutely taking a sledgehammer to the central cornerstone that the entire benghazi cathedral of scandal is built on. >> months of investigation, you write, by "the new york times" centered on extensive interviews with libyans in benghazi, who had direct knowledge of the attack there, and its context, turned up no evidence that al qaeda or other international terrorist groups had any role in the assault. the attack was led, instead, by fighters who had benefited directly from nato's extensive air powe...