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I do believe especially on, what a 79 year-old great grandmother, i mean i'll read some of the things written about her. it is, i mean it's the lowest of the low. i think we all agree on that. you were shaking your head. >> i agree 100% that you know the first amendment is important and free speech is important especially political speech which we have learned is the highest form of protected speech in this country. where i disagree with the fellow panelist is when he says it's the left doing this. people who make these kind of threats are crazy whether they're on the right wing crazy or left ...

>> black folks think it means -- go ahead. >> it's a totally different view and i think that we've done is let people off the hook. i've listened to these conversations. and read these stories and people say, well, you know, the economic angst of the white working class. well, wait a minute. i just told you. the median income of african-americans is $43,000. it will take african-americans 228 years to catch up with white america when it comes to wealth. 228 years. >> let me play a quick clip and then l me get your take. you talked with him about the recent attention that has been given to this...

I do think that the alt-right, we've gone from being a movement that was not connected to the political mainstream, not connected to the political fray, we now are. people are paying attention to us. people are looking at us. we need to think of ourselves as a mainstream movement that's going to reach people, because we do have that power. >> that was richard spencer, the founder of part of the so-called alt-right movement. and roland marten joins me now. everybody has been talking about this guy, as i mentioned president-elect trump today, why was it important for you to sit face-to-face with...

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And from what we understand this wasn't part of the planned protest on saturday. >> ryan, i know you've studied these patriot organizations, these militia movements. i think numbers were, this is the most recorded period of time during president obama's term that we've seen this spike in 2012 and on with these groups who identify themselves as such. but we have this new poll out looking at the presidential race and how many people describe themselves as angry, does this play at all into some of the discourse that we've seen on the campaign trail from some candidates? >> well, in the last few y...