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I hope congress comes up with another alternative. how impactful immigration is on our commerce, supremacy clause, all the wonderful things we teach students in law school. this is a federal matter. you know what? immigration has a great impact. this is an engine for our economy people care about it no now. >> tucker: you've said so many things. i just want to get back to the core question. which is committed to the residents of foreign countries, non-u.s. citizens, have a legal or moral claim on coming here or that entirely up to the discretion of the u.s. government and its citizens? i think...

But what we're seeing now is there's been -- in the obama era with democratized media and deregulated political money you've seen a huge flow of cash and clout and political influence to that fringe. >> to those corners, right. >> which has created kind of a counterestablishment, right? that's amplified these voices and made it actually worthwhile for politicians to latch on to. >> i really understand what you're arguing and i basically -- i mostly agree with you but i do want to say we routinely leave out of our definition of this lunatic fringe the anti-abortion -- the violent anti-abortion ...

About -- he also said this weekend, he also told chuck lots of people are really mad that planned parenthood is selling baby parts. they're not selling baby parts. and this entire focus on demonizing planned parenthood is -- that comes out of the fever swamp too. >> yet that occupies a slightly more mainstream position even within the kind of controversial world of trumpism. >> no, and i understand where joan's coming from. i think the difference is that there are pro-life -- there are social conservatives against abortion who are not violent at all. there are not that many people who avidly a...

Restriction on abortion. is that judging by the polls, your understanding of what the polls of american public opinion are. is that a mainstream position, in the center of what the americans think in. >> it isn't. but even if it was, it's immoral. this is one of those issues that we ought to forget about the politics. somebody ought to provide the kind of leadership to say, i don't care what the polls show. this is the mark of a barbarian society. this is not the actions of a civilized people. civilized people don't hack other people to death and then sell the parts because there's money to be...

Polls of american public opinion are. is that a mainstream position, literally mainstream, in the center of what americans think? >> it isn't. but even if it was, it's immoral. this is one of those issues that we ought to forget about the politics. somebody ought to provide the kind of leadership to say, i don't care what the polls show. this is the mark of a barbarian society. this is not the actions of a civilized people. civilized people don't hack other people to death and then sell the parts because there's money to be made from it. and that's why i find it offensive when people say, let'...