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League can do. >> so he touched on what you touched on regarding the culture and just this acceptance internally of this kind of dialogue, but what about accountability? what else should happen. >> well, i mean, here's the thing. i don't know if a league that has this deep of a problem when it comes to racism, sexism, misogyny, homophobia if they can correct themselves because the still -- still, the ownership groups look what they look like. you still have probably a lot of people, i think it's a safe assumption to say that there are a lot of jon grudens in the nfl and i guess -- i just don't...

Difficulty issues. this is america as well, and -- and what we have seen is what every black person knows, what every, you know, every gay person, every member of the lbgtq community knows, is that behind closed doors this is what we're facing on the other side of the table when we go in for job interviews, when we're considered for positions. i mean, in the last three or four head coaching cycles we've seen a number of very qualified black coaches passed over, over and over again but there's always room -- seems to be room at table for people like jon gruden and as long as that's the case and...

>> all i can say is i'm not a racist. i don't -- i can't tell you how sick i am. i apologized again to dee smith, but i feel good about who i am and what i've done my entire life and i apologize for the insensitive remarks. i had no, you know -- i had no racial intentions with those remarks at all, but, yes, they can. i'm -- i'm -- i'm not like that at all, but i apologize. >> smith tweeted in response to news of gruden's email the email from jon gruden and some of the reactions to it confirms that the fight against racist, racist tropes and intolerance is not over. this is not about an email ...

Entire reflection and what this league really represents when it's behind closed doors. >> well, it's not just allegations of racist e-mails. it's misogyny. it's, you know, homophobic e-mails that were part of the interactions online, and -- and meantime gruden was coaching the nfl's first openly gay active player, carl nasiff, and cnn spoke with openly bisexual veteran ryan russell this morning. i want to highlight what he said. >> jon gruden wasn't sending those e-mails to himself. there were other people that knew about it. there were other people involved across the league, and this went u...

Football league, to have something like this of a leader. we give these guys the big contracts because they want to be able to lead, coaches, equipment staff and managers to the number one goal and that's to win a championship, and for us to be moving back and not forward in the 21st century, like i said, the national football league, this hurts me. the schlock tick, man. i'm sorry. >> you were saying that the vice president of the -- rather the director of the nfl players association, a black man, has lips the size of micheline tires. you can't plead ignorance. you're too grown. this is why t...