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Much more declarative. -- joining me now is charlie sykes, editor at large of the bulwark an msnbc contributor and columnist. tara said meyer, lincoln project senior adviser. former gop communications director. and political strategist rachel bitecofer is back with us. thank you all for coming back to the sunday show. charlie, what happened at the so-called red wave? did it even exist in the first place? >> if it ever did, samuel alito stuck for content over the summer. this is really a catastrophic failure by the republican party. it's interesting watching over the weekend how you have maga o...

Is if the republicans now rally around them enough to give them cover. they weren't able to do that before. but now donald trump is facing the mega mean girls version were gretchen weiner saying you can't sit with us. so that's about what's happening right now with the republican leadership does that translate down two votes in primaries we have yet to see that but it's. i don't think they've got of a we'll see we've got two years to go. real fast, rachel i'm coming to you. who is the speaker than if republicans take the majority tara who's the speaker? >> just ask a least a fonda. eric she's ...

Party. i said this to you a year ago, jonathan. that kevin mccarthy would never be speaker of the house. and i still stand by that. even more so now after seeing the results of this election. good luck. >> tara, real quick, i want to come to you at the last question rachel. governor desantis and governor youngkin. these are two people who are emerging as early favorites to challenge donald trump, assuming he jumps back in to the race for president. do these two fellows even have a chance if trump jumps back into the 2024 race. >> i don't think so. no one has been able to survive a full frontal...

Right now you have a free fall in the republican party. as much as they would like to scrape the legacy of donald trump off their shoes, i think the former president's going to make it very clear that he's not going anywhere this week which complicates absolutely everything that they are trying to do. it is a complete repudiation of the extremism of the crazy. i was struck before -- i was struck before the election that republicans actually believe that it was no consequences for being anti-democratic for being cell in the face of antisemitic slurs or all of the crazies. they were so confident...