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But she delivered it well. okay? >> that didn't seem like a compliment to me. >> she -- she has great stories. she wove them in. she is very, very good, and she is a great communicator for the democratic side. the substance of it, i don't buy at all. but what she said -- >> just as a matter of pure politics, a lot of the positions, whether it's on, you know, student loans or health care or so on, the things she talked about were things that were on which democrats have a majority view in this country. i mean, this position that the president has taken on the wall is not a majority view. that's...

Reopened and an appropriations bill, in fact, passed, and there can be a battle and a fight over immigration issues. that's what i hear when i travel the country when i talk to people, wherever they stand, that's the majority view in the countryside. i think we need to keep what the american people want top of our discussion. >> and how is this impacting? you have access to large, urban communities. these are communities you've represented in the past. how are urban communities being dispro progressionly in ways impacted by what we're witnessing now? >> good question, peter. immediate impact i...

Juice boxes? this is just about a third grade level what he's doing here. jonathan, in washington i don't know what kind of talk this engendered, the tit for tat but at its bigger than that. i think to a lot of people nancy pelosi can truly outmaneuver the president. he has no team around him and seemingly no sense of strategy. >> they went into this shutdown fight without a clear plan. and to the, te extent to which had a plan, it was based on a misreading of nancy pelosi. some of them didn't share this view but i would say a majority view from the conversations i've had was that they believe...

Criminals, swarm, middle eastern suspects. and you sit there and think you have one of the most robust, bullish economies -- well, you did. and yet you double down on the caravan to kate tore the small minority base, which is, i'm sorry to say, fueled by white nationalism and i think it's correct. the last -- the record for the longest shutdown was 21 days in 1995 under clinton. i think he'll extend it to placate that base. i think he will. >> then the question becomes whether mcconnell goes along with that, which i think he will. when it goes on long enough, it's anyone's guess. but what is i...

There was job growth. he doubled down, tripled down on the caravan story. terrorists, rapists, invasion, middle eastern suspects. and you think, you have one of the most robust, bullish economies. well, you did. and yet, you double down on the caravan to kacater to the small minority base that's fueled by white nationalism. the record for the longest shutdown was 21 days in 1995 under clinton. i think he'll extend it to placate that base. i think he will. >> the question becomes whether mcconnell goes along with that, which i think he will. when it goes on long enough, it's a dynamics play. yo...