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Mccain surprised us on the upside and as a journalist that made covering him fun and interesting. >> make barnacle, a lot of people will look at the life of john mccain and the life of donald trump and realize that john mccain showed more character in one day in captivity than donald trump has shown his entire life. and his life, i talked about -- i drew the parallels with bobby kennedy, that john mccain would agree with that i don't know, mccain lived through tragedy and he was a cynic who wanted to make the world better and mark described it perfectly, john mccain was a romantic but also a c...

Doesn't seem to correspond with conducting an act of this nature. >> make barnacle, obviously this re-ignite the debate on guns but even before that, i've been hearing from my daughters, i've been hearing from young people, the country's sense of security again has been shattered in a way that it's making -- it's making it a lot like other countries where you live in a very insecure fashion, where you can't go to a concert now without thinking about something like this. how could we? >> well, no doubt, i would think, because most americans leading normal american lives are unlike anyone servin...