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What do you think they're hoping to find there? >> this is intelligence. everything the joint special operations command does with their tier units when they conduct these operations, apptureapp tureapp -- capturing and killing is what the mission is. capturing is what they want to do first. the kill part is only if the threat comes about. we want the intelligence. we want to take down this network. to defeat a network, it must be done against a network. jsoc has formed a network throughout the years to take down this network. these computers and phones all the electronics that we have a joint...

Why do you think people are so sensitive about it? what's happening then with iraq iraq is still an issue right now. we're talking about ramadi today. why is this so sensitive, do you think? >> well, for the reasons i just discussed. i think the party -- the gop is evolving on this issue. everyone is sort of wondering where the party is going to end on iraq. four years ago, the stock response to this was, of course it was the right decision to go into iraq. saddam hussein was a dangerous man, and frankly had the policies of the current administration. that was the stock response. the party has...