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I should not even be going to communion, right? so the catholic church has to decide are we going to publicly they were now excommunicated? if that's going to be helpful for the soul of that person, let's go for it. if it's going to be -- does that make sense? >> tucker: yes, and it's certainly not my fight. let me just ask, give give it to me quickly, what's the case that you would make, a lot of people have kind of internalize the libertarian argument, it's your body, you can do what you want, it's an appealing argument for those of us who distrust government, which a response to that? >> i'...

Communion. the catholic church has to decide, are we going to publicly say, you are now ex-communicated. if that's going to be a helpful for the soul of that person, let's go for it. does that make sense? >> tucker: what's the case that you would make? lot of people have internettized the libertarian argument and it's your body and you can do what you want. i understand the argument. what's your response to that? >> well, i'm glad you brought that up. your previous guest said, this has to do with the woman's body. in the example that she just been given, the baby had already been born. the umb...

America public. >> don't blame all for some. fair point. when you say many sides, many sides, when you have white supremacists down there complaining about a confederate icon coming down, it does not speak to equivalency. it does not speak to a complex dynamic that needs to be measured. that's not what this was. i have to believe, ron, if i were asking you about it -- god forbid this happened in your district. i don't think you would have come out and said many sides. there's a lot of blame to go around here. that's what it sounded like. it doesn't make sense logically, doesn't make sense with...

Happened with obama -- i hear it on the show all the time. there's plenty to. >> no equivalence is appropriate. >> you say we don't know what's going on. i get being measured. that's not what happened here. he had over a day. we knew what happened. we knew someone was dead and we knew who they had in custody and who the groups were. there was no reason to offer anything vague as a way of being measured. that doesn't make sense logically. >> chris, the most important thing you mentioned there was the equivalence. the thing that the president has to wipe off the board is that there's any equival...

Refugees from the former soviet union? he's attacking a woman whose family fled the soviet union saying that vladimir putin may have some human rights issues. >> not only is it ugly, it's dumb. it doesn't make sense logically. her family fled the soviet union so her bias would be -- >> so she's going to join us on the heels of her heated interview. first, jeffrey goldberg joins the table. "morning joe" comes right back.