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Many people seem, well, we're here, so we want to close the door behind us. what does that say about you as a person? >> says everything. and all of it is a fallacy. you know, they'll say, hey, my ancestors did it right. i can't tell you how many italian-americans say that to me. you were allowed in, there was no quota. there was no obstacles except figuring out a way to get here, probably mortgaging yourself to your eyeballs, begging everybody you want. make you stow away on a ship. you had to get here, get deloused, denigrated, they'd mess with your name and you were in. you had no skills al...

And i'm okay with the political argument. figure out what you want the process to be. don't lie about it and don't do this to kids. >> you talked about how your family came here as immigrants from italy. so many american's families came that way. their ancestors. my came over by force. >> yeah. >> but still, it's, you know, most people who are in this country, who come from immigrant backgrounds, they came over. they didn't have a lot of money. they came over seeking a better life. the families weren't perfect. they weren't well-educated. most of them. but now that people are here, many people...