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On an almost holiday weekend. sarah, what is the significance of focusing on pro trump lawyers. what does that tell you? >> interesting. i mean, they have a lot of material here that we can talk about. they are going after -- they have to be careful by calling after lawyers and generally, your communications within lawyers are protected. so, the fact that they are choosing to interview these lawyers take advice from lawyers, sending emails to lawyers, that tells me they have a real strong basis to sort of breach that privilege within the lawyers and any client. >> what does that tell you? firs...

Apparently at loggerheads with each other, wondering if any of them are snitches. maga means making attorneys get attorneys and now apparently they're fighting. apparently the lawyer who the other lawyers distru the most is boris epshteyn. folks will remember him from frequently appearing on msnbc sometimes opposite myself, and here is the quote, boris pissed off all the florida lawyers. people are dropping like flies. everybody hates him. he's a toxic loser, a complete loser hao can barely contain the anger while discussing the matter. he has daddy issues and trump is his daddy. that sounds t...

Entitled to this speech and debate clause privilege. i think at best that will narrow the scope of certain questions are off limits. maybe none at all. but i don't think he's going to be able to use it to completely block his testimony. i think he's ultimately going to have to testify and jack smith will get out of him what he wants. >> not only is it difficult to keep track of all of trump's legal troubles, it's hard to keep track of which of his lawyers now are illegal travels. we heard that maga now stands for making attorneys get attorneys. what do we expect to come out of evan corcoran's ...

John dean, cohen, or donald trump? i will tell you for sure, the loser is donald trump. >> yeah. and the third thing is, you know, and melissa murphy making attorneys get attorneys, these all all attorneys we're talking about on both sides of these accusations. another attorney, and his name is joe tacopina, who has been on the attack against michael cohen. here's a challenge for him representing donald trump. he previously talked to stormy daniels about representing her and law professor ryan goodman points out and new york state has ethics rules that would say it would be difficult to see ho...

Gold. your strategic advantage. (music) visit goldhub.com. we're back with our panel. mike, we are learned this week of another trump lawyer who refused to lie on behalf of trup. it is a pattern of obstruction since the earlier days. how closely are you watching the obstruction investigation. >> well, in terms of the lawyers as witnesses, we sometime just a few weeks ago were writing about this. and we were debating how to tell the story. and we said to ourselves that there have been something circulated back and forth in different times that maga stood for making attorneys get attorneys. an...