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Symbolic. it's full of intent. but it is also short on specifics. we need to unpack the wording a bit. when they say they're going to end the korean war, they pledged to make steps toward ending the korean war. that means they're going to need three-way talks with the united states, four-way talks with china to formalize a peace treaty that the ar mistis. they said no more war on the korean peninsula. the other is the statement on denuclearization. that's a bit murkier. their wording is that they would move toward the common goal of denuclearizing the korean peninsula. they haven't defined wha...

North korea can get in exchange for giving up its nuclear weapons program, and what is it that the other side needs? when i say the other side, there's the united states, japan, south korea, there are a lot of people involved. >> well, look, i mean, that is the big question. right? and it was sort of conspicuous, i think, here, that the declaration from the north and south agreed to today did not actually include much at all on the question of denuclearization other than a very short passing reference to both sides working toward the goal. the two sides front load third down diplomacy by bitin...

Real fall off a cliff on the other side of that summit if we don't see any real steps toward denuclearization. >> all right. michael, thank you for joining me. he's a former deputy assistant secretary of state for east asian public affairs. and allegations against tom brokaw and matt lauer. >> i stood there for a couple of minutes and just shook out of panic.