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Peroxide is very easy to obtain in the beauty salon, as you said. and it's a matter of having a better practice with these things at making detonators and they're getting this experience in syria and iraq and places like that where they've got ranges where they can show them how to make this. so this is isn't like buying explosives. you can get the manufacturer and the suppliers, anybody can make this stuff. >> buck, i want to ask you about how long this may have taken to plan. because obviously french authorities knew that something may have been in the works. they didn't know what. and they ...

A pipe bomb. does that shake your faith that there were others involved? >> oh, no, not at all. i've made so many of these myself that it's really hard to make the detonators work and electronics. you need practice. if you do this stuff on your own, yes. if you do this as a job, work with your hands, yes, but i don't think neither of these two men did. but on the other hand, there's no explosives expert will tell you need hands-on practice for a very long time, especially when you're making these things go off under pressure like a gun fight, or you're placing bombs. you just can't count on pe...

Myself that it's really hard to make the detonators work and electronics. you need practice. if you do this stuff on your own, yes. if you do this as a job, work with your hands, yes, but i don't think neither of these two men did. but on the other hand, there's no explosives expert will tell you need hands-on practice for a very long time, especially when you're making these things go off under pressure like a gun fight, or you're placing bombs. you just can't count on people -- >> you've actually made these devices? >> yes. i was down in huntsville two years ago and atf runs a course down th...

Are. he goes for an extended period to russia, in the same region where he is. there is terrorist activity going on. there is a known radicalizer who is there. when he come backs from russia, he puts a video of abu dujan on youtube. to connect the dots as an unsophisticated untrained eye in this regard, doesn't that seem like something that is suspicious? >> chris, it is. i spent a couple of years in prisons interviewing suicide bombers and their networks. and i've yet to see one of them, one of these -- these are hundreds of them that actually came out and told the full truth about who they w...