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Can trump do. not what can candidates do. if there aren't any -- what can operatives do, right? so it's not just simply op research anymore. something else can happen in the context of our election system. in the context of the birtherism and what happened to senator harris, there are folks out there, the american descendants of slaves who are making hay in all sorts of places across the country and have a presence on the web. they are not bots. they are not russian folk. they are actually trying to have an impact on the way in which we talk about race in this country. and unless we understand...

What can candidates do? if there are not any, what can operatives do? >> right. >> it's not simply oppo research anymore. something else can happen in the context of our election system and in the context of the birtherism and what happened to senator harris, there are folks out there, the american dissendants of slaves who are making hay in all sorts of places across the country and have a presence on the web. they're not bots. they're not russian folk. they're actually trying to have an impact on the way in which we talk about race in this country. unless we understand and be able to differe...

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Would i wait going to washington, but president trump is welcome here if the circumstances are right. what does that say about, i guess, president trump's engagement with the issue but the degree that which you have a russian president who's making hay out of all this? >> i would say that the president is not the dealmaker that he told us he was -- >> a daleal breaker. >> a deal breaker. i grew up in the bronx, and we don't get do-overs. he wants a do-over with the russian president. it can't happen , it shant happen. -- it shouldn't happen. this something, again, democrats will take to consti...

Appealing candidate. this is a new democratic party. we will see what it means for 2020, and for 2018 in november with the speaker race, even if that comes to pass for democrats. >> i think it picks up on what you brought up, john. the fact that we are seeing both parties get more extreme. they are both going to be playing the opposite side as the most extreme you can get. the question is who is actually left in the middle? where are the american people and voters? are they starting to lean more independent because they are fed up? >> look, we have seen a rise in independent voters over two de...