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I don't think he enjoys being brought into the political fray. in fact, i know he does not enjoy it. so when you talk about making referrals -- he doesn't have any prosecutorial power, so a referral to do what? to investigate? because if he finds criminality, he has to refer to the department of justice, which he did, apparently with comey and which he did with mccabe, but i think horwitz -- i think we are going to appreciate his work on the fisa report, but i don't think he wants to be brought into political squabbles about was going to be referred for criminal action and who is not. >> shann...

Brought into the political fray. in fact, i know he does not enjoy it. so when you talk about making referrals -- he doesn't have any prosecutorial power, so a referral to do what? to investigate? because if he finds criminality, he has to refer to the department of justice, which he did, apparently with comey and which he did with mccabe, but i think horwitz -- i think we are going to appreciate his work on the fisa report, but i don't think he wants to be brought into political squabbles about was going to be referred for criminal action and who is not. >> shannon: especially when his job is...

Forego about $60 million in federal funds rather than comply with a new trump administration gag order that would forbid its clinics from making referrals to doctors who can perform abortions. the new rule says while clinics may continue to talk to patients about abortion, they may not suggest where to go to obtain one. >> joining us once again, david chalian, cnn political director, abby phillips, white house correspondent, and shauna thomas, washington bureau chief for vice news. there's a political issue, abortion opponents see this as a win, and there's also an access argument here for low...

The question is how we will take care of them. we talked about the fact that maybe instead of doctors there will be doctors. >> physician's assistants are going to rule supreme. i'm not saying they are terrible, by the way. my doctor is retiring by the way. >> you don't get to keep your doctor and your insurance and probably not even your hospital and don't necessarily go to the same place. >> what happens if you need to see a neurolinguist. doctors are going to be much more hesitant about making referrals to specialists under the plan. >> if you going to get this kind of care coming at a lowe...

The question is how we will take care of them. we talked about the fact that maybe instead of doctors there will be doctors. >> physician's assistants are going to rule supreme. i'm not saying they are terrible, by the way. my doctor is retiring by the way. >> you don't get to keep your doctor and your insurance and probably not even your hospital and don't necessarily go to the same place. >> what happens if you need to see a neurolinguist. doctors are going to be much more hesitant about making referrals to specialists under the plan. >> if you going to get this kind of care coming at a lowe...