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>> i studied russian intelligence activities over the years and i have seen it again manifest in many different counter intelligence cases. and how they have been able to get people, including inside of cia to become treasonous. and frequently individuals who go along that treasonous path do not even realize they are along that path until it gets to be a bit too late. >> mr. brennan is a veteran of what we call the silent service, the business of being a spy. joining me now, jack barski a former kgb spy living in the u.s. during the cold war. he later cooperated with the fbi and is now an amer...

Chapman, her job was to run around and make contact with high value people and posed as a high level real estate agent at one point. >> malcolm, jack, if you ever have dinner together i would love to be there just to listen. thank you for participating tonight. we will take a break. when we come back, two members of the house intelligence committee are standing by to talk with us. liberty did what? liberty mutual paid to replace all of our property that was damaged. and we didn't have to touch our savings. yeah, our insurance won't do that. well, there goes my boat. you can leave worry behin...

Alleged? >> yeah, i have some doubt. and i respectfully disagree with mr. brennan when he talked -- when he talks in admiring words about the soviet and russian capabilities. my fbi friends tell me that the fsb, the secret service tt now runs the service over there is not as eective as the kgb was. case in point, you probably remember that in 2010 there were five undercover agents, couples they were called. they were undercover, on behalf of the fsb. and when i saw and heard how they operated, i wassic sh isha head. they missed the beginners class on how to be an undercover agent. so while the...

Going to give you something that you want for whatever you pay him. either that's money or is, you know, not disclosing a secret or something else of but just getting somebody to do your bidding without them absolutely knowing, that's to me is impossible. >> malcolm, same question, what you know about how this process works. >> well, it's quite simple. and what jack said there was very, very true. this is a relationship. it's a dance that goes on between two people. and if you don't know that that officer is an intelligence officer, and they spot you as a target, they can very easily manipulat...