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Roger stone farmed it out and everybody else jumped on it, kushner, don jr., the president, and they made a complete positive deniability so they wouldn't be stuck with the stolen documents. >> the last thing i'll say -- let me go back to you, malcolm, because we have to let you go in a second. >> sure. >> is the idea of the -- so much deception and deceit and forgetting about all of these contacts. and the thing that sticks out to me the most is just the idea at some point that papadopoulos says they got a lot of hillary clinton e-mails and you've also got an e-mail saying the russian governm...

Him clean. malcolm is absolutely right, the largest espionage trial, he'll be convicted, it will send a message, this idea that you can't just take stuff because -- and hide behind this sort of morality clause, it's just baloney. >> both of your twitter timelines are going to be fascinating to read for the next two or three hours. malcolm unanimous and navee naveed jamali, we'll have you on next week. next, ivanka trump's fashion line -- rejected! stay with us. the first rule of being a viking.

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>> that is, i mean, if we found out that the president secretly had sent a message to a back channel in russia or through a cutout saying can you find hillary's e-mails? that would be massively incriminating, but he just did it in public. >> yes, think you're precisely right. everyone's looking for this smoking gun. this little key that is going to unlock the magical universe of this trump/russia collusion. it's staring us in the face. we know that trump called on russia to release the hacked e-mails. wikileaks was talking to don jr. and he was replying to wikileaks. there is evidence after ev...