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American Voices With Alicia Menendez-20220115-23:06:00

contributor. malcolm, your thoughts as you watch this unfold? >> it's an unfortunate situation and what you have is a planned hostage taking. based on the information we're getting, which is rather sketchy, i actually heard the live stream. i've listened to the discussions that the gunman had with the s.w.a.t. hostage negotiator and he's laid down some pretty solid lines that are going to be tough for a good negotiator to work with, but we hope they can wear him down with no loss of life. he has stated that, you know, he intends to die at the end of this situation. why he is motivated to have sadeki released is unknown at this point and he seems to have some reason that he wants her released. she was a very well known factor in the counterterrorism world. she was a courier, suspected to

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American Voices With Alicia Menendez-20220115-23:07:00

be a courier for mohammed, the mastermind of 9/11, and, again, as jonathan just said, she was captured in afghanistan and during interrogation tried to kill u.s. service members with their own weapon. she was extradited and sentenced to 86 years in prison. now someone has a personal or political stake in this and they are going to make a point, you know, with the hostages. i hope this doesn't end up in loss of life, but we'll just have to see. the on-scene commander and negotiators are going to make that call. >> joyce, you have been working the phones, talking with those who prosecuted her case. what did you learn from them? >> she was apparently radicalized after 9/11, and as malcolm has said, when she was brought to the u.s. for trial, the acts she committed were

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American Voices With Alicia Menendez-20220115-23:05:00

this is what is happening, we are now being taken hostage, and this gunman is demanding the release of her. the rabbi here in new york called 911 and that got the police in texas and the fbi looking into this matter. and as of now, the nypd here in new york is deploying extra units to synagogues as a precaution, given the new york and texas connections to all of this t. but as of now there's no threat in new york. this incident, for now, appears isolated to that synagogue in texas. >> morgan chesky, jonathan dean, thank you so much. i want to bring in msnbc terrorist analyst malcolm unanimous and co-host of the sisters in law podcast, an msnbc

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American Voices With Alicia Menendez-20220115-23:08:00

sometime around 2008. she stands trial and is convicted in 2010. when she's sentenced, she receives the terrorism enhancement, which is how she ends up with this 86 year sentence. it's a sentence of life in prison. what we know is she's somehow motivated or somehow by her situation, the individual who is currently inside of the temple just north of dallas, is animated by a desire to have her released. of course that's not going to happen. but something we know about the fbi and atf hostage negotiators, they're very skilled in handling these situations. the first thing they'll do is establish a line of communication and then they'll begin to work on what can be done, hopefully convincing the person who is inside of the synagogue with hostages to release hostages over time and continue to talk to them so that there can be a peaceful resolution. >> malcolm, you said something that i want to dig into, which

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American Voices With Alicia Menendez-20220115-23:12:00

private vendettas due to romantic intentions. i don't know at all. nobody knows until this situation gets resolved. >> and we have a new press release from the colleyville police department at this time, no injuries have been reported. malcolm and joyce, you are staying with me. next, the new charges against nearly a dozen members of a far-right group and what it means for the january 6th investigation. plus, within minutes of being sworn in today, virginia's new republican governor signed executive orders targeting how race is taught in classrooms. author angie thomas, whose best-seller is being banned by schools across the country. and next hour, governor jones from new york on where dems go from here on voting rights. we continue to follow the hostage situation under way in texas. updates as we get them throughout the hour here on msnbc. n msnbc.

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American Voices With Alicia Menendez-20220115-23:24:00

time. we'll have a lot of incentive to cooperate with prosecutors. >> malcolm, i have one more question for you. who is paying for all of this? when you look at all the gear that they had, when you think about who is actually at the center of power here, who is paying for all of that? >> well, a lot of these people pay for it themselves. you see them dressed up in body armor, what we call the tactical tuxedo, trying to outdo each other in a combat fashion show. this is what we call those posers. these are guys who are live action role play. but you have to understand, there were many groups that sent the oath keepers money. the oath keepers were collecting tens of thousands of dollars. they were getting donations everywhere. there are other groups out there like, you know, code of vets, another group affiliated with general michael flynn, who gave them $100,000 last year, the fake election lawyer sidney powell, she gave them $10,000.

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American Voices With Alicia Menendez-20220115-23:25:00

there are millionaires out there that give these groups money. they are now a -- the oath keepers i'm speaking of specifically, all of them are now tainted with the brush of criminal conspiracy to overthrow the government of the united states. so all of these guys who are outlying and meeting up at denny's in idaho and even parts of upstate new york, they are now going to have to understand their leadership, you know, took part in this and organized it. >> even being a poser has consequences. joyce and malcolm, thank you both so much. an update on our breaking news in colleyville, texas, the police department confirming that the hostage situation inside a local synagogue remains ongoing, but thankfully no injuries to report inside. nbc news reporting the hostage taker is holding one rabbi against his will. more updates as we get them. we're back after this quick break.

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Detailed text transcripts for TV channel - MSNBC - 20190531:03:41:00

nothing to combat interference in 2016 and then he added this. >> we are doing a lot and we're trying to do paper ballots as a backup system as much as possible. because going to good old fashioned paper in this modern age is the best way to do it. >> so there you have it, and here with us to talk about it tonight, michael mcfaul, former u.s. ambassador to russia. his most recent book is entitled "from cold war to hot peace: an american ambassador in putin's russia." and malcolm unanimous, special operations, homeland security, 35 years working in the field. he's also the author of "the plot to destroy democracy: how putin and his spies are undermining america and dismantling the west." both timely books making these leading experts to talk to. mr. ambassador, i'd like to begin with you. you heard robert mueller yesterday. what ran through your mind as you did? >> just the way you set it up, brian. i mean, the other parts of what's legal and not you've been

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Detailed text transcripts for TV channel - MSNBC - 20190531:03:48:00

this has been a very good thing, in terms of us fighting against each other. that means we're not talking about the russian threat. that's exactly what they -- >> right. >> -- had anticipated and that's what they have received so far. we've got to start pushing back on that. >> gentlemen, we knew by inviting you on this would be the sobering segment of the evening. you lived up to expectations, michael mcfaul, malcolm unanimous, thank you, as always, for coming on our broadcast tonight. another break for us. coming up, trump calls it a well-meaning gesture. others calling it a disgrace. the latest on the stunning order issued by the white house, at least an official inside the white house that in the process shamed once again a great american name. american name. be right back. with moderate to severe crohn's disease, i was there, just not always where i needed to be. is she alright? i hope so. so i talked to my doctor about humira. i learned humira is for people who still have symptoms

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Detailed text transcripts for TV channel - MSNBC - 20190531:08:41:00

u.s. ambassador to russia. his most recent book is entitled "from cold war to hot peace: an american ambassador in putin's russia." and malcolm unanimous, special operations, homeland security, 35 years working in the field. he's also the author of "the plot to destroy democracy: how putin and his spies are undermining america and dismantling the west." both timely books making these leading experts to talk to. mr. ambassador, i'd like to begin with you. you heard robert mueller yesterday. what ran through your mind as you did? >> just the way you set it up, brian. i mean, the other parts of what's legal and not you've been talking about, but he began and he ended with the fact that russia attacked us in 2016, they violated our sovereignty in a multiple-pronged attack designed to influence the course of that presidential election. and so far, despite what the president just said now, we've done next to nothing to prevent that in 2020, and i think moving

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