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Sometime around 2008. she stands trial and is convicted in 2010. when she's sentenced, she receives the terrorism enhancement, which is how she ends up with this 86 year sentence. it's a sentence of life in prison. what we know is she's somehow motivated or somehow by her situation, the individual who is currently inside of the temple just north of dallas, is animated by a desire to have her released. of course that's not going to happen. but something we know about the fbi and atf hostage negotiators, they're very skilled in handling these situations. the first thing they'll do is establish a...

Time. we'll have a lot of incentive to cooperate with prosecutors. >> malcolm, i have one more question for you. who is paying for all of this? when you look at all the gear that they had, when you think about who is actually at the center of power here, who is paying for all of that? >> well, a lot of these people pay for it themselves. you see them dressed up in body armor, what we call the tactical tuxedo, trying to outdo each other in a combat fashion show. this is what we call those posers. these are guys who are live action role play. but you have to understand, there were many groups th...

Nothing to combat interference in 2016 and then he added this. >> we are doing a lot and we're trying to do paper ballots as a backup system as much as possible. because going to good old fashioned paper in this modern age is the best way to do it. >> so there you have it, and here with us to talk about it tonight, michael mcfaul, former u.s. ambassador to russia. his most recent book is entitled "from cold war to hot peace: an american ambassador in putin's russia." and malcolm unanimous, special operations, homeland security, 35 years working in the field. he's also the author of "the plot t...

This has been a very good thing, in terms of us fighting against each other. that means we're not talking about the russian threat. that's exactly what they -- >> right. >> -- had anticipated and that's what they have received so far. we've got to start pushing back on that. >> gentlemen, we knew by inviting you on this would be the sobering segment of the evening. you lived up to expectations, michael mcfaul, malcolm unanimous, thank you, as always, for coming on our broadcast tonight. another break for us. coming up, trump calls it a well-meaning gesture. others calling it a disgrace. the ...

Media to be -- to be a mega phone for more distraction. >> and mike mcfaul, if you're watching on a flat screen -- flat screen tv in the basement of the kremlin, are you interested when donald trump comes out on the south line prior to boarding marine one and goes after the chief prosecutor in this case, the special counsel robert mueller? >> you're loving it. you know, this is what they wanted. they wanted to sow division in america. they wanted this polarization. this weakness that we see now abroad. and, you know, they think that this has been a very good thing, in terms of us fighting agai...