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>> bill: i don't know if he will try to do it because as mr. rove said he may just try to show the country that the republicans are intractable because we do expect the republicans to go up there and say, look, unless you put in tort reform. unless you put in interstate competition of insurance companies two stallworths and maybe -- you are a democrat. maybe you can explain to me why those things are not in the bill, mr. doug schoen. they are not in the bill. the republicans have been hammering that for the last eight months and the president just says i'm not going to do it. >> bill, i have b...

Alisyn: let's try to move this forward, this health care summit is coming up february 25th, that's less than ten days from now. what do you think the white house can do to turn it around and get the winning hand again? >> the white house can brush the plan aside and start over. let's look at common sense reforms that republicans like paul ryan have been putting forward since the beginning, tort reform, less special -- let's get special interests out of this debate and look at what we can do immediately to drive down costs, buying insurance across state lines, a number of proposals. alisyn: ric...

Antitrust exemption, what about tort reform? i don't see any of that in there. >> all of that's in there. i'm the leading supporter of tort recommend. the my bill. and portability is very important and obviously insurance across state lines works, so i support all those concepts. the basic theme of my proposal is let's control the cost of health care. i mean, the simple fact is we as a government and we as a nation cannot afford the blurnlgonning, exploding cost of health care in this country and unfortunately the house and senate bill, they pad the house with democratic support, massively spa...

Possibility you could lead a group of republicans to try to do something, the polling all shows that people still by a majority want something on health care. >> first off i like olympia a lot, she's a respected and effective force in the senate, but i'm a hard core fiscal conservative. i don't mind saying it. i am and quite proud of it honestly. for me the health care issue revolves around getting the costs under control as well as getting better health care and more access. the problem with the bills that came through the senate and the house was they did nothing, they exploded the cost, exp...

Saying, absolutely no way. we have done nine months' worth of work on this, and there are some things that we can agree on. and the president is saying, we will give some and i will be prepared to give some maybe on malpractice reform which is what you want, but if you think you can cover more people and it is going to cost less people, you have the show it to me. >> right. >> and so, it is pretty tough. pretty tough. >> he did say he would work around the senate in particular if they don't deal with some confirmations. he actually said he would consider recess appointments in the upcoming rec...