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And again, i come back to saying the american people may not be ready for it. so what are the options? look, sanctions really haven't worked. there's not much higher you can go with the sanctions we're doing. one component of response has to be targeting the criminals and the government officials personally. make it painful to be that hacker, that malware criminal. what does that look like? fry their electronic communications right there in place in russia, make it impossible for them to use their tools, shut them down, block their money, freeze their assets, red notices all over the world whe...

We're going to be behind the 8 ball. >> at the top you said if we launch an attack, part of what we would need to be prepared are if a counterattack. what are the other options that are on the table? >> yeah, you know, for as long as we had a department of defense, we had battle plans. if china moves into taiwan, we do this. if north korea does this to south korea, we do this and this. we don't have sophisticated, planned-out battle plans for all of this. and again, i come back to saying the american people may not be ready for it. so what are the options? look, sanctions really haven't worked...