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>> dana: brand new report that a former top lawrs for president trump john dowd consider raising legal funds for paul manafort and richard gates. the "wall street journal" reporting the president's advisor shot down the idea and it never happened. joining me now shelby holiday from the "wall street journal" and a former federal prosecutor, now special counsel at lowen stein sandal. let me start with you then you were explaining to me it's not out of the realm of possibility that this happens in court sometimes that there would be way to pay for somebody's legal fees. >> it happens sometimes wh...

Urnl i and the intensety of this right now as they apply pressure to the man 40s and the flins. >> so explain that because a lot of civilians may not understand there's a foot race. while it's all a big investigation, is mueller first and for most among equals? is mueller trying to race the hill to get to his evidence and witnesses. >> i think that's how he sees it. there are a few concerns, one is that information would come out through the investigative pros either be leaked or otherwise come out. the other is if the information becomes public, witness that he might be pursuing get a chance ...