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Pages. mueller is not going to, even in these, you know, sentencing charges to the courts, detail out for the public at this point, certainly for the trump team, stuff that he plans to drop a little bit later on. he's just not going to do it. >> michael, those black bits on the filings, because he was such a sphynx, we don't hear anything -- >> redactions, you mean? >> yes. so we go through these documents and we think to ourselves, what are we lenning from them? but there are so many redactions that so much of it is blacked out. when you look at the documents coming from the sentencing docume...

Crime, colluding about russians. you start analyzing the crime. the hacking is the crime. >> that certainly is the original problem yes. >> the president didn't hack? >> he didn't pay them for hacking. >> as you know it led other places. if you got the hacked information from the russians ats cnn and played it, would you be in jeopardy of going to jail? of course not. >> the meeting with the russians, how can you be sure if the president didn't know beforehand? you're saying it was a he said he said. >> nobody can be sure of anything. a situation like this, you have two things that argue again...