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>> the tension is that, listen, these two have been in the past not talking like the monica lewenski scandal. i think this time it's more important. as i say in this new book all-out war. he went to her a month before the election and said, look, i have done inner polling, it shows that you are losing this election. she said you're nuts. everybody tells me i'm winning. he said you are not polling, number one. they stopped polling. brian: true. >> number two, you haven't spent any time in the rust belt states. she said you know, you don't understand modern data collection techniques, bill, you ...

Country's very first president. it goes way deeper than that stuff there are man scripts and letters from his civil and his military life and personal and private diaries. among the letters, one of only three to survive the centuries between washington and his wife martha. before he died, the first president of the u.s. suggested that people might find some of records interesting and he hoped there might be a library and there you see it there, harris. it is really striking, some tremendous stuff there. >> so, carl, how is this different from the presidential library's modern president set up ...

Listen to this. >> one of my predecessors, router ford bhayes reportedly said about the telephone, it's a great invention but who would ever want to use one? [laughter] >> that's why he's not on mount rushmore. [laughter] because he's looking backwards, he's not looking forwards. [laughter] megyn: oh, no, oh, no, president hayes wasn't looking backwards says nan card, who is the curator of man scripts at the rutherford b. hayes museum in ohio. >> reporter: what was that comment all about? does that mean president obama is looking for another president's face to be on mount rushmore. megyn: he ...