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And vulgar way, you allow people to focus on something other than what you really want. i think madonna wants people to focus on the threat to women's health and lgbt rights and doesn't get that attention when stands at microphone and curses. this is about not playing into donald trump's hands and not sur rending your your own credibility and standing on the high ground and not letting this man tug the level discourse down as low as they would like to. >> interesting you say that, same criticism that people have had of the white house. maybe some good things -- or donald trump is at least doin...

This was an outrage and proves you're no better than he is. it's theater. >> it gives the people on his side a way to say you all think you're so virtuous and high-minded, explain to me that tactic, explain to me that behavior. and as i say, there are so many substantive things to talk about here, that when you just kind of vent in that undisciplined and vulgar way you allow people to focus on something other than what you really want them -- i think madonna wants people to focus on the threat to women's health. i think she wants them to focus on the threat to lgbt rights. she doesn't get that...