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Collusion and so forth, so if you -- if you're thinking about the mueller case in terms of are they going to be able to pin something on the president, the manafort case was always sort of off to one side. we don't know yet and we didn't learn much, frankly, in the course of the manafort proceedings about what all of that separate line of inquiry was going to be, the manafort case was largely about things that manafort did before he ever went to work for donald trump and so it's sort of -- you have to look at it as its own animal. >> justice will come back for paul manafort as far as mueller i...

The democratic party has decided that the way to beat donald trump is a far left socialistic agenda that i think is a bad strategy. not only for defeating trump but worst than that, a terrible, terrible position to put the american people in and i think the american people are going to reject it. >> reporter: so you look at that and, a., you have to accept the idea there is a majority out there -- a silent majority that would be willing to flout the two-party system and then you have to accept the theory of the case that howard schultz is the candidate who can galvanize that support and one of...

Heard of a person accused of a drug crime that's gotten such a sweet deal that we saw paul manafort get? >> it rarely happens. i appreciate the shoutout from mr. dellinger, who is a it legal legend, but it's not just judge ellis. there was a rot last year that black men get 20% more time than white men. the reason is downward departures from federal judges, which is what happened in the manafort case. the other issue is overcharging by prosecutors. yesterday he saw jussi the e smollett charged with 16 felony charges yesterday. >> it's amazing how many crimes people get charged with. there's a ...

>> i agree with everybody else. the president has refused to take a pardon off the table. as he said, why should i? clearly i thought the same thing when manafort's lawyer got out there and said there's no collusion, that was giving donald trump mr. collusion. remember, mr. president, we're helping you here. what he said was really, really interesting. he said there was no collusion between paul manafort and any russian government official. government official. according to the filings in the manafort case filed by mueller and his team, even by mueller's own attorney, we see there was collusio...

I think. >> it puts her in a tough spot that's unfair. she needs to look at it exactly the way she looked at it if judge ellis's opinion did not exist. the sentencing guidelines are also very steep. there's a ten year max and make it a fair decision based on that, so we have, you know, capital "j" for justice. >> she's absolutely right and one of the things that makes the case coming up in d.c. very different is that in d.c., manafort's sentencing guidelines are actually way above the maximum sentence that he can receive so when that happens, the advisory guidelines sentence simply becomes the...