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So "the guardian" piece a lot of us are saying if it is true and the reason why is because britain is a highly surveillance state, presumably some foreign intelligence agencies would have seen manafort go into the ecuadorian embassy. but if it is true, then this is -- i wouldn't call it all smoking guns anymore, i would call it all connective tissue. we have enough smoking guns. these are the pieces that are drawing closer around trump and then of course the trump family. >> and as julia points out, he said no contact with anybody and that is patently false. roger stone. and we've obtained a d...

When he's 24, manafort manages his successful campaign to become national chairman of the young republicans, so he and roger and manafort go back as far as they can go and is absolutely an extraordinary significant person in roger's life and if he's dropping a dial on roger that would be both painful for him on a personal level and, of course, on a legal level as well. >> and nick ackerman, sam nunberg was someone who worked directly for roger although they did a falling out. provided his testimony as i think many people remember. and here's what he said about all this in terms of his expectat...

The president knew everything, he directed his son, he told jared and manafort go take that meeting, i hope you get some dirt, this will be great, and he told everybody anything you can find, good, he knew about all of it, he's lying when he says he didn't know. where's the crime? >> well, attorney general mukasey said we don't even know what the crime would be. we do know what the crime would be because bob mueller's told us in the form of several indictments where he has charged a conspiracy to defraud the united states and -- >> what does that mean, to the audience? >> what it would mean is...

The president knew everything, he directed his son, he told jared and manafort go take that meeting, i hope you get some dirt, this will be great, and he told everybody anything you can find, good, he knew about all of it, he's lying when he says he didn't know. where's the crime? >> well, attorney general mukasey said we don't even know what the crime would be. we do know what the crime would be because bob mueller's told us in the form of several indictments where he has charged a conspiracy to defraud the united states and -- >> what does that mean, to the audience? >> what it would mean is...

May be. i think mueller will determine what the con teks are. does it make me uncomfortable that they had this long lasting relationship. they're going to have to answer. mueller will dig into what those conversations took place. they could be -- we don't know what those conversations are. i think it's important to let manafort go through his process. we have been doing this over a year. we have known that early on that the fbi leaked more than the titanic. we had very little tangible evidence that shown any type of collusion. we have a lot of partisan smoke. we haven't seen that direct connec...