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The defense has made a big deal out of it in their opening statement saying that pinning everything on rick gates. so it would leave an interesting strategy here for the defense. a position here for the defense as to whether or not they're going to go ahead and call rick gates, if the prosecution does not. >> maybe the prosecution thinks they don't need to call rick gates. he's already admitted lying to federal authorities. he's plead guilty. maybe they think they have enough evidence, documents, other evidence, they don't need to call him. >> that's exactly right. based on some of the reporti...

We're going to get to see the strengths of the evidence. >> laura: not going to play out in the u.s. courts regarding the president. that's not how it works. it's not going to play out in the u.s. courts. >> i'm talking about players. >> laura: the manafort stuff, i don't see how that has any relevance. kim, the manafort trial that will come up with this year perhaps, i'm not seeing any evidence so far that that is connected to anything really close to the president at all. >> no. i mean, this is part of the dissolutionment, i think, with the mueller probe. people were hoping he was going to c...

Courts, we're going to get to see what the evidence is we're going to get to see the strengths of the evidence. >> laura: not going to play out in the u.s. courts regarding the president. that's not how it works. it's not going to play out in the u.s. courts. >> i'm talking about players. >> laura: the manafort stuff, i don't see how that has any relevance. kim, the manafort trial that will come up with this year perhaps, i'm not seeing any evidence so far that that is connected to anything really close to the president at all. >> no. i mean, this is part of the dissolutionment, i think, with ...

Million of which he says might have been laundered by manafort. that's what's charged in the indictment. in connection with the indictment. so and in these white collar crimes when you're dealing with that kind of money, there's a lot of evidence involved. a lot of documents involved. what's most surprising to me having looked at it now caref carefulfully, it doesn't touch on trump. all the manafort stuff is before the election campaign. it's, he had a complicated life and obviously, a lot of money. 75 million passed through his hands and they say 25 million of it was laundered. but all before...

Get any political fodder regarding the manafort stuff. >> trish: a lot of people didn't like reagan, a lot of people thought it was a disaster that we had an actor as president, he has gone down by many accounts as being tremendous because he got the economy going again. the economy, no pun intended, trumps everything. >> guy: it generally does. i'm waiting for someone on the left to denounce brian cranston for being conflicted in denouncing white supremacy. that's an "breaking bad" joke and a terrible one. the point he made his not assuming the worst on the people on the other side. that is t...