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Republicans to get something down, he would say that's the record. >> bret: i'm going to play one more. obamacare. this answer real quick. >> i think we have done the big stuff right. i think there are some big obvious fumbles or shanks if you're using the golf analogy. healthcare.gov. if you know you are setting up a complicated web site, it better work on the first day or first week or first month. the fact that it didn't obviously lost a little momentum. that was clearly a management failure. >> bret: charles. >> it was a conceptual mistake from the beginning and obama seems not to realize ...

It's a real management failure. >> you and suzanne are people who, when faced with a hardship you are action-oriented doers. autism, another untenable problem for families, but you seized it and started autism speaks. what is your plan? >> i learned a lot with autism speak, and if i had to do some things over again, it probably would be harsher in many respects on the same issues. in that case there was a denial in the medical community about ought im. some people were interested, some weren't. it was controversial. >> a denial that autism existed. >> right. we got past all that. then the medi...

Investigation. >> and lois lerner a big fish involved in this whole investigation. do you think that they're going to cast a wire net? are we going see more people who might end up in trouble? >> yeah i think even democrats on the committee have expressed concern about the handling of the e-mails, the process questions here. and i do think that this kind of revelation is likely to lead to challenges and problems for some of the other employees who are still there. the fact that these were erased after the evidence request was in chbeven if you cannot prove that it was done simply is a manageme...

Militaristic, that we should have shut down this mail carrier, if he was a black muslim, we maybe would have. >> but they shot that woman who drove her car who led police on a chase. so that's happened. so it's very serious. what struck me about this how you saw officials joking about this guy and flying his copters onto the lawn. it's not funny. it's serious. the lack of -- i think that's where the complacency comes in when you see somebody like secretary johnson laughing about this in retrospect and that shocked me. >> there's a pattern here. there's a pattern of management failure. secret s...

Say we should shoot down the mail carrier, goodness gracious. >> but they shot the woman who drove her car and would led politician on a chase. it has happened. it was very serious. what struck me, you saw officials joking about this guy and flying the cop con on the land. it is not funny. it is serious. that is the complaint, you see someone like secretary johnson laughing about this in retrospect. that shocked me. >> it is a pattern of manage failure, secret service, d.e.a., veterans administration department of hhs trying to get the health care website and across this sprawling bureaucracy ...