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Militaristic, that we should have shut down this mail carrier, if he was a black muslim, we maybe would have. >> but they shot that woman who drove her car who led police on a chase. so that's happened. so it's very serious. what struck me about this how you saw officials joking about this guy and flying his copters onto the lawn. it's not funny. it's serious. the lack of -- i think that's where the complacency comes in when you see somebody like secretary johnson laughing about this in retrospect and that shocked me. >> there's a pattern here. there's a pattern of management failure. secret s...

This election? >> i'm not sure it will by the time november rolls around. >> i think what that chart where it is now, what it did to the ven generic ballot, it shows this was an appropriate move. that holding her accountsable, there was a real argument for doing that beyond just, you know, optics. that there was actually a management failure and it's appropriate for senior people in the public sector and private sector to be fired when things go wrong. it also sheds new light of the filibuster rule so most executive branch appointments can't be filibustered. if there was still a 60 had vote th...

Of. what is the impact of benghazi? don't we have to take serious the republican criticism that there were plenty of warnings, that secretary clinton and the people under her did not respond to this request for more security and that there was a management failure at the state department? >> well, i think this report reinforced what we've heard from the accountability review board that reported back about a year ago that made a number of recommendations and showed that there was a breakdown in communication, in security. that people needed to be held accountable. i think the state department i...

Signature legislation, and if he hasn't created a culture that says bring me the bad news not just the good news, that may be the reason they decided to go forward, is nobody was willing to tell the president that there was a serious problem in his signature legislation. but that's still a management failure for secretary sebelius and everyone that works for her. you've got to be willing to tell your boss, and your boss has to create an environment in which you don't just take the applause and the accolades for what works, but you actually look at what isn't working. and in this case, there we...

From congress to the supreme court to the campaign trail to the shutdown. it was expected to be something of a victory lap from here on out. the hope was that by now controversies would be fading and the benefits of accessible health care would finally be coming into view. not yet. not quite. here to talk about it "new york times" op ed columnist ra rasa adolfet and charles blow. welcome to the show. charles let me start with you. i was really struck when i was doing this interview by something the secretary said, that the president didn't know, wasn't made aware of any problems, despite the f...