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But the thing she describes is just to be clear like doesn't happen in the way that she says. it's not some undercover video of them doing this ghastly thing. it's like me like i saw, you know, i saw carly fiorina punch an old lady in the face and 24 million people say carly punched aly i did in the face. not really. >> it's an imperial question. they're going back and forth. produce it. it's not there. >> right. produce it it's not there. you had something else to do about fiorina. >> the secretary and ceo thing. >> i went secretary to ceo. and it's all over her résume i think she owned secr...

Her father was the dean of duke law school. he's nixon's deputy attorney general. she works as a secretary from summers off from stanford and joins at&t after business school on a management tract. it's just -- >> whatever you want to say whatever you made it in a corporate world that was difficult for women to penetrate at the time you were doing it. et. cetera. this is not some rags to riches story. >> right. what is so offensive she poses as a figure it proves anybody can do it. she uses it as a sort of everybody else not making it. >> she did not inherit a real estate fortunate from her fa...