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Mueller to say hey, listen if you have my back, i'll have your back. because i mean this is foreshadowing, right, and if you look at blagovich for example, he also was convicted of pay for play. if you also look at the d'souza pardon as well as joe arpaio, both are on record for saying dangerous things. what's the most dangerous about these pardons is it sends the message what these men have done is okay. arpaio was told not to discriminate against immigrants in arizona. he did it anyway. d'souza called president obama a monkey, said michelle obama looked like an ape. a long record of racist s...

Midwin, president trump clearing the slate for d'souza makes the fifth pardon since the president took office. i know there are parts of the white house, ie, jared kushner's side of the house, that has been working on prison reform. they thought with kim kardashian's visit this week, we might see a woman who's been in jail for the last 22 years still serving a life sentence, she might get pardoned, but no. d'souza, martha stewart and maybe blago. what do you make of the president using the pardoning power? >> there are two things. one, i think it sort of is -- he's basically sending a message....

Agrees. if he didn't, he'd give you a no rating and shut you down on twitter. you know elon musk, why don't you just run a tight company and you wouldn't have to worry about journalists. up necxt, an nbc news exclusive report. the russia investigation shines a spotlight on someone new, a close friend of jared kushner. later, president trump hints more pardons might be on the way including for martha stewart and former illinois governor. it's going to be interesting. late night's jimmy kimmel has his own theory. >> he part pardoned a far right man d'souza. it sounds like somebody's putting toge...

Donald trump is skirting or flouting our norms. i checked the doj website for how pardons are supposed to go. usually someone makes a pooh tici petition. usually they have to wait five years. the department of justice is clear in saying if you get a pardon this does not show innocence. it means you've accepted responsibility for what you've done. i hope d'souza recognizes this. he isn't innocent. >> i don't think he particularly cares about that. he's just happy that the president just hooked hi eed hi. pardons have worked that way for years. presidents hooking people up for various reasons. i...