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Down on the employers who employ illegal immigrants. the employers are very powerful. they don't want to deal with this. they consider it undue regulation. and a lot of small businesses, they like the cheep labor. that's the dirty little secret here. >> on this issue, this is one where jeb bush has gone after trump saying, he's not really a conservative. if you were you wouldn't mandate spending this money that the government doesn't have to put up this wall that's not going to work because it's going to cost money that the country doesn't have. >> i wouldn't say it's unconservative to talk ab...

Down on the employers who employ illegal immigrants. the employers are very powerful. they don't want to deal with this. they consider it undue regulation. and a lot of small businesses, they like the cheep labor. that's the dirty little secret here. >> on this issue, this is one where jeb bush has gone after trump saying, he's not really a conservative. if you were you wouldn't mandate spending this money that the government doesn't have to put up this wall that's not going to work because it's going to cost money that the country doesn't have. >> i wouldn't say it's unconservative to talk ab...

At the same time every veteran understands there is fat to be cut from the defense department. let's reform it. the nature of these sequester cuts is to take a meat ax to the budget. let's reform the defense budget and look at the largest drivers of our deficit in mandate spending programs those on the left end of the spectrum don't want to cut. >>brian: they took gates cuts and are going try to up them by $500 billion. leon panetta takes over from them. has the same fear. here's what he said yesterday on "meet the press." >> we've got a plan for that possibility because there are so many memb...