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When we may see people begin to change the results of the elections. i think being aware of this, understanding it's possible, talking as much as possible about it, getting democrats to pay attention to the problem, thinking through in advance what the solutions might be, i think all of that is important right now. >> let's not forget how donald trump elevated the mypillow guy, too. he was at the white house just days before the inauguration of joe biden and he was talking about marshal law, and they're talking about what still can be done bringing him to a place in trump world of significance...

Not know about it but it's important to understand because it does spread on facebook and gab and other forms of social media, and, you know, other television -- you know, other kinds of cable news. one america network or news max. and explaining to people what it is and how they think and how -- and how people's -- you know, how people like that mind's work, as i repeat, it's not unique in history at all. you can find fanatics like that all the way back to the 20th century and beyond. explaining to people how they think is part of figuring out what we do about it and preparing ourselves for t...

Like. and so, we are absolutely right to be gravely concerned about what could happen in the next election or the next couple of elections. but, you know, i -- but i -- i have a question for ann. i mean, you know, on the one hand, this is deadly seriously and important, on the other hand he is a side show and a clown and a lunatic. he believes stuff that simply is not true. and so, where is that common ground? where is the entry point? the place where you can talk about stuff that might be agree about and then proceed to chip away at this bizarre and untrue belief system that he sincerely has?...

. joining us now columnist associate editor of the "washington post" and political analyst eugene robinson. donny deutsch and staff writer ann apple balm. i want to talk about your meeting, ann, about your piece entitled the mypillow guy could destroy democracy. when you contemplate the end of democracy in america, what kind of of person do you think will bring it about? here is what you probably don't imagine, an affable, self-made midwesterner, a recovered crack addict no less who laughs when jokes are made at his expense, a patriot he says who may be doing more damage than anyone since

Save it from the conspiracy theorists, save it from the people who as ann said are trying to undermine american's faith in the democratic system, trying to undermine american's faith in your constitutional democracy? what do you do? >> joe, i wish i had some original thought other than the one that to me is so stunningly obvious. if there's a megaphone, what do you do, you take away the megaphone. i've never seen a problem that's so severe and such a clear solution, because the culprit is an easy one. without the medium, without the platform they don't exist. mike lindell is not going door-to-...