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Times. that the secretary of defense called his counterpart in egyptian multiple times. >> what barry said, it's almost impossible to visit west point, ft. brag, ft. campbell without seeing egyptian uniforms. these two arms forces have worked together, joint exercises, joint training, equipment training for years and years and years. and so those military relationships, our retired four stars are a huge resource. >> and they're going to be crucial in the coming days. as this military makes its decisions, all those ties between general officers, colonels, majors, they're the ones that are going...