Afghanistan certainly at the beginning in those days when we thought we could build this new nation and transform afghanistan and the reach more broadly but even in subsequent administrations when we thought there was something taking hold and had a really hard time as outsiders, having a sense of just how profound the problems were. >> i remember going out with marines on patrol and driving to some village and the marines risking their lives to get to this village, a tiny speck on a map meeting with elders who are kind of on the fence and not sure who to side with. and it was nation building ...