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On a shooting spree. i don't understand why my right to protect my family, my community and my constitution has to be infringed upon because some other idiot wants to kill me because i happen to be a christian. that doesn't play. i only wish somebody in that school had carried a concealed weapon and knew how to use it and put a round through this degeneral rat's forehead and stopped this massacre before it happened. >> we've seen hundreds of mass shootings, and they don't get stopped by some rambo figure with a gun who happens to moonlight as a -- >> that not true, marc. >> we have to move on....

Rush the shooter? is that the right conversation to have after a mass shooting? why not talk about gun control and getting guns out of people's hands so we're not stuck in the paradox deciding whether or not to die on the ground or bum-rushing a shooter? >> it's better to die on your feet than live on your knees, marc. i have no doubt that -- >> better to die at 100 years old at an elderly center. >> no, no, no. sometimes it's not fair. sometimes it's not right, marc. sometimes you have to act. and sometimes you're going to draw the short straw. and i think as americans we've forgotten that th...

So do you. but dammit, we can't give up in the face of terror. we never will. we never can. >> right. >> dr. carson is absolutely right. >> the way to not give up in the way of terror is to take guns out of the hands of terrorists. in this case, this was a domestic terrorist we could have disarmed perhaps through sensible legislation. i'm not speaking just about this situation. this is not a question about when we should attack the shooter. i'm talking about getting rid of the guns so we don't have a shooter. >> kurt, what do you think about that? >> americans have the right -- >> do you think...

>> marc, pick up your mike. we can't hear you. while he's talking, i'm going to go back to you, kurt. marc's got it. to be fair to him, we'll let him continue. these things happen in live television. go ahead. >> basically, ben carson is dmot blaming victims. what he is doing is saying we should attack somebody with a gun as the primary resolution to what is clearly a gun control problem. that's my fundamental problem. what's wrong with the comparison you just gave is, when a plane about to be crashed by terrorists attacking the terrorists saved everyone. in this case, someone would be volunte...