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There will be fights along the way, but the trajectory of that to me is very clear. i think that's the optimistic view and i'm partial to that. the one caveat, i would say, is that i think particularly in the case of abortion rights, one way to interpret what's happening is that the extremists have already fenced in so much, the only ground that they have to march forward on is on such extreme ground that no one wants to support it. so in the case of mississippi, right, the mississippi personhood amendment, which was sort of the beginning of this trend that went down to defeat last year, there...

Fenced in so much, the only ground that they have to march forward on is on such extreme ground that no one wants to support it. so in the case of mississippi, right, the mississippi personhood amendment, which was sort of the beginning of this trend that went down to defeat last year, there's only one abortion provider in mississippi. it's like, what battles are they left to fight in mississippi. so i think there's a degree to which the culture war victories that have already been secured by the right have forced the right into ever more extreme territory, because they have to keep fighting, ...

That the extremists have already fenced in so much, the only ground that they have to march forward on is on such extreme ground that no one wants to support it. so in the case of mississippi, right, the mississippi personhood amendment, which was sort of the beginning of this trend that went down to defeat last year, there's only one abortion provider in mississippi. it's like, what battles are they left to fight in mississippi. so i think there's a degree to which the culture war victories that have already been secured by the right have forced the right into ever more extreme territory, bec...