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Thank him for it, but my next guest, mariana says i should not be thanking steve jobs or even apple for it. she's the author of a book just out in the united states called "the entrepreneurial state: debunking the public versus private sector myths." she's a professor at the university of sussex. she joins me now. it's a fascinating book. would you say the technology i was referring to was not invented by apple. >> it's not that steve jobs wasn't a genius or apple is not a wonderful company. of course steve jobs was great. the problem is that the mare tiff we tell around both himself as an ind...

Assistant professor and barbara young, national organizer of the national domestic workers alliance. barbara has been a domestic worker for the past 17 years and is an active member of domestic workers yuntded. thank you all for being here. i actually want to start with you, nicky, for two reasons. one, you know, i went absolutely nuts when this film came out. i had a lot of critical things to say. lots of folks said, oh, you're just mad because a white woman wrote it. i said, no! my favorite book written about black domestic workers is written by a white woman, your text clinging to mammy. i ...