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>> this is not the standard of the subcommittee you and i have set, mr. chairman. abusing and badgering witnesses. >> we do want all of our members be respectful of the witnesses. my only response was to disagree with the characterization that my response has been flippant. >> jay is a former justice department attorney and legal editor. good to see you. explain what it is. what happened here is there was an e-mail from lois lerner, april 9, 2013, to a woman named maria hook, who is an i.t. person at the irs. she seems very concerned to find out whether the irs' instant messaging, like the top...

Bothers every single american. >> this is not the standard of the subcommittee you and i have set, mr. chairman. abusing and badgering witnesses. >> we do want all of our members be respectful of the witnesses. my only response was to disagree with the characterization that my response has been flippant. >> jay is a former justice department attorney and legal editor. good to see you. explain what it is. what happened here is there was an e-mail from lois lerner, april 9, 2013, to a woman named maria hook, who is an i.t. person at the irs. she seems very concerned to find out whether the irs' ...

>> this is not the standard of the subcommittee you and i have set, mr. chairman. abusing and badgering witnesses. >> we do want all of our members be respectful of the witnesses. my only response was to disagree with the characterization that my response has been flippant. >> jay is a former justice department attorney and legal editor. good to see you. explain what it is. what happened here is there was an e-mail from lois lerner, april 9, 2013, to a woman named maria hook, who is an i.t. person at the irs. she seems very concerned to find out whether the irs' instant messaging, like the top...

>> this is not the standard of the subcommittee you and i have set, mr. chairman. abusing and badgering witnesses. >> we do want all of our members be respectful of the witnesses. my only response was to disagree with the characterization that my response has been flippant. >> jay is a former justice department attorney and legal editor. good to see you. explain what it is. what happened here is there was an e-mail from lois lerner, april 9, 2013, to a woman named maria hook, who is an i.t. person at the irs. she seems very concerned to find out whether the irs' instant messaging, like the top...

I had a question about ocs. mrs. hook responds back, ocs messages are not set to automatically save as the standard. the response from miss lerner is perfect. >> lois lerner's answer, perfect is not to this lower box in red, it is to the last paragraph that says my general recommendation, this is from maria hook is to treat the conversation as if it could be or is being saved somewhere as it is possible for either party to have a conversation. >> you expect us and more importantly the american people to believe that oh, yeah, a perfect now we know to save these. >> okay. this back and forth ab...