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14, protected a certain way but she's still in trafficking when she's 22 and they change the way she's protected. now she's a prostitute. there's so many loopholes, mark. mark: is there anybody -- when we come back. is there anybody -- i know the president is focused on this. is there anybody in the beu bureaucratic departments or agencies who is responsible for addressing this? you've got the department of justice on the law enforcement side, maybe you have the department of homeland security at least on the immigration side. is there any effort to pull this all together and really attack it ...

She's still in trafficking when she's 22 and they change the way she's protected. now she's a prostitute. there's so many loopholes, mark. mark: is there anybody -- when we come back. is there anybody -- i know the president is focused on this. is there anybody in the beu bureaucratic departments or agencies who is responsible for addressing this? you've got the department of justice on the law enforcement side, maybe you have the department of homeland security at least on the immigration side. is there any effort to pull this all together and really attack it in a crystallized way? we'll be ...

That we separate them to figure out who's who. >> of course. mark: but the left says no, you're separating parent from child. >> 30% are not parent and child. these kids come over with a rape kit in their backpack because that girls know wha what's goiso happen. if we have a hard time protecting -- pick a name of a kid -- lisa in baltimore who's being sex trafficked and she was born and raised in baltimore, there's fingerprints, dna, people know her. now the world are we going to protect a kid that comes across the border that is a ghost. a sex traffickers treem. mark: yet the attack on this a...

And one thing we're similar is sex is a part of culture. when you can get to a place where you can convince a public that sex with a child is okay, well then making an argument for some bill that's on the president's desk to shoot it up or down is easy because you've gone so far. you've pushed the needle so far with morality that now all of these other issues just slide in the back door. mark: is sex trafficking in the united states, is it worse today than it was, say, five years ago? >> yes. better laws. but a law that's not acted upon is a zero. so we feel good. you'll see the states, the da...

Wakes up in the morning saying children should not be for sale. his office, people in his administration, they live it daily. but there are so few of these guys. but they'll make laws and feel good and say look, we changed a law. an eight-year-old is no longer a prostitute. she's now a victim. fantastic. show me that the guy who bought sex from her is going to get 30 years in prison and then i'll listen to you. but they don't. they bump it down to a misdemeanor case, they don't try him as a trafficker like what epstein should be tried -- mark: i want to ask you. is this part of the mentality t...