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>> this was actually at a stadium where there was singing and dancing, if people really think that the president was not giving nelson mandela and his legacy its due, i would like to refer them to the very stirring eulogy the president gave on his behalf. >> oh, boy, i'm sure people -- >> there were no pictures of the eulogy, mark, it is just inappropriate, for a head of state. >> we'll apparently find out tomorrow who the person of the year is. kathleen sebelius, look at this picture we have of kathleen sebelius, she looks like she is about to give us a shot. the question is whether she shoul...

Project-based instruction for kids which is what i had when i was growing up and -- >> what is project based instruction. >> meaning like if you have a robotics course, if kids are actually making robotics, look at the ibm tech school in new york that the president has just been to. the performance consortium schools where kids actually do a dissertation-like study. >> all right, it is a different approach. let me ask you one more question. >> let me just also say you have to have early kindergarten and wrap around services and you have to level the playing field for poor kids. >> here is my o...